Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 09:17:50 μμ
As Double Ugly wrote (link below)
http://www.modelclub.gr/forums/index.php?topic=9269.0;highlight=wing
I wrote a report in the French WingMaster issue 65 (all French text sorry) : building a 1/72 Hasegawa F-4 model.
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Report ended as a twin build with a QF-4N US NAVY drone aircraft and an F-4E in HAF markings. I took the opportunity of the May 2008 date and 50th anniversary of the Pahbulous Phantom to build a short nose and a long nose version.
Once a gain I have to thank dearly Double Ubly and Mmaker for the information they kindly provided.
Here are some photos of the F-4E -v especially for those who won't have access to the WM magasine.
Dedicated to all the Modelclub forum.
Cheers
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: Wildcat στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 09:25:50 μμ
Αποστολή από: Δόξας Ιωάννης στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 09:27:12 μμ
Congratulations ::eusa_clap::
Αποστολή από: Double Ugly στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 09:53:11 μμ
Αποστολή από: Symeon στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 10:14:58 μμ
Αποστολή από: petervic στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 10:20:55 μμ
Αποστολή από: ΕΥΓΕΝΙΟΣ στις Ιουλίου 31, 2008, 10:50:51 μμ
Incredibly realistic painting & weathering ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap::
One of the best HAF phantoms I've ever seen ::icon_thumright::
Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 12:54:02 πμ
Petervic : here is the US NAVY brother in arm : a QF-4N. I did not know at the time I decided to build this aircraft but this Phantom was the last Phantom ever to fly under US NAVY colours. Oddly is was not an "S" derivative like a QF-4S or whatever : it was a thin wing Phantom.
This Phantom now is in open display in a museum on the USS midway in San Diego.
and both Phantoms together (what modelling can do!! QF-4N timeframe is 1999 while F-4E must be around 2004/2005 I believe)
Cheers
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: Harris Charalambous στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 02:36:08 πμ
Αποστολή από: Γιαννης στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 04:59:04 πμ
Αποστολή από: melpas1013 στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 06:23:12 πμ
Αποστολή από: dsamba στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 07:00:58 πμ
Bravo Eric ::icon_thumright:: ::icon_thumright::
... et bonnes vacances car il te faut un bon repos apres ce fabuleux travail... ::salut::
Αποστολή από: petervic στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 08:00:40 πμ
Αποστολή από: Jet72 στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 09:40:58 πμ
Awesome!
Αποστολή από: felix στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 03:20:13 μμ
Can you tell us a few words about the weathering, what method did you use? I am really amazed :D
The NAVY Phantom is also excellent. I always liked the colourful Phantoms.
Very good job to both planes ::salut::
Αποστολή από: mmaker στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 03:39:45 μμ
For me,this is the BEST looking AUP in any scale,i've seen!
You're a really skilled modeler at that small scale!
Keep going,and If you want to do another HAF plane,not only me but more of us,we'll help you!
Cheers!
and...what's your next model,mate?
Αποστολή από: leopard στις Αυγούστου 01, 2008, 05:17:54 μμ
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Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Αυγούστου 02, 2008, 02:46:18 πμ
To reply to Felix question about weathering technique here it goes. I adapted from a reply of the same genre I made on ARC about a couple of VF-31 + VF-2 F-14D Tomcats that I built (released in a previous WingMaster issue).
Originally I am very much a US NAVY modelling fan and I build up an experience on US NAVY models. It turn out that the HAF Ghost scheme (F-4Es and F-16) seem to weather very muck like the US NAVY TPS (LoViz) scheme.
For the HAF Phantom I started with the camo colours with some interpretation as I use Gunze acrylic paints - sometimes Tamiya - and some camo colours are not available in their range :
Camo painting
Icarus decals claim FS 35237, 36307 et 36251 for camo colours plus FS36320 for nose cone.
· FS35237 : available in the Gunze range (H337). I lightened a bit with some drops of H307 (FS36320) for the main camo. I darkened on a few spots using Tamiya XF-18 (medium blue)
· FS36251 : not available but reasonnably close to cockpit grey FS36231 (H317) - added some drops of white to lighten a bit
· FS36307 : not available but I used light gull grey FS36440 (H325) which looked OK in 1/72nd scale due to scale effect. It might need a drop of a darker grey in bigger scales like FS36231 - H317. Also, my weathering used a very light spraying of a back wash mist, and played it role in darkening and merging camo colours..
· FS36320 : I actually used FS36375 (H308) due to scale effect.
This description for main base colours. These colours were altered in spots with drops of blue, white or grey
Weathering technique
There is no pre-shading whatsoever and all weathering is achieved after the original camo scheme is plainly applied (weathering over camo).
Technique follows a few simple principles. Origin is one of my friend, and master modeller, once telling me : to paint a kit just figure out what happened in real life..
Weathering is a result of an effect of time, paint touch ups, but also mechanic shoes strains, liquid spillage ... it doesn''t build in one day ... and that is how I tried to do my kit weathering..
After I painted the plain camo scheme I started to work on panels, altering basic colours either darkening or lightening them with approaching colours. (exemple adding FS 36320 in FS35237 or WW2 Intermediate blue in FS3537). Panels are painted, starting to give model a patchwork effect.
Then I work on touch ups along panel lines. Airbrush tuned to paint thin lines I paint along panel lines again using approachnig but different greys (generally lighter greys)..
If possible all above is done in several days .. purposedly.
As in real life. You don''t paint the same way on different days. Your hand will be steady one day, not so much another day, your airbrush lines will be slightly thinner or thicker another day, you won''t use the same exact colour etc... Doing all the job on a given day will tend to give your model an even finish with symetrical effects .. and that is not what you want weathering your model. Let your weathering build slowly...
I then process decaling, sometimes blending some decals with a very thinned spray of main camo paint.
Panel lines are then enhanced with very thinned sepia, black or dark grey oil based paint as my base camo is Gunze aqueous paint. This means I can wipe out excess paint from my panel lines with no risk for my main paint as thinners are not compatible..
I now have a decalled, panel lined, touched up Phantom but the strains of mechanics are still lacking.
A lot of people walk on aircraft (pilots, mechanics), soles generally are dark, they use oil and generally all this leave some black strains and soot on the aircraft.
I use very thinned black paint in my airbrush : I would call this mix coloured thinner more than thinned paint. Airbrush is set to minimum width spray (1 to 1.5 mm ie 0.1 or 0.15 in - as narrow as I can).
I then spray all areas of they aircraft that mechanics or pilots tread : upper air intakes, main fuselage, upper wings (avoid spoilers, flaps and slats), centre parts of stabilators. Also areas under cockpit around hand grips or footsteps.. Spray print is so thinned that you have to remain on an area to see the dark colour build.
Then I touch up again with small light grey dots over the dark stain effect...
The idea is mechanics came, walked on an area, strained but later touched up again (clean, dirty, clean layers pile up - I believe that is how it goes.. )
All is then sprayed with a very thin uneven layer of matt varnish.
Hope it might help some of you.
Merci ΰ vous tous!!! Thanks to you all !!
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Αυγούστου 02, 2008, 02:54:43 πμ
My friend,as you already know,you've done a terrific job on this Phantom!
For me,this is the BEST looking AUP in any scale,i've seen!
You're a really skilled modeler at that small scale!
Keep going,and If you want to do another HAF plane,not only me but more of us,we'll help you!
Cheers!
and...what's your next model,mate?
Hi mate
Thanks for your words and support.
Next models are Hasegawa F-18C, Hasegawa F-18F and Fujimi A-7E - all 1/72nd scale (my scale - except jetliners where I use either 1/200 or 1/144).
The following batch should be Hasegawa F-16 and Fujimi RAF Phantom II plus something else. (I generally build between 3 and 4 models at a time - sometimes incorporating a WW2 aircraft or jetliners).
Cheers
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: ΣΜΗΝΑΡΧΟΣ(Ι)ΚΑΚΑΛΟΣ στις Αυγούστου 02, 2008, 03:24:45 πμ
Αποστολή από: Περικλής στις Αυγούστου 02, 2008, 11:54:51 πμ
Fantastic job Eric! ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap::χ 2
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Αποστολή από: felix στις Αυγούστου 02, 2008, 03:08:56 μμ
I will be very glad (And the others will for sure) if you can post and the other planes you have built (Especially the NAVY ones ::love7::) to admire the wonderful work you have made. ::icon_thumright:: ::salut::
Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Αυγούστου 05, 2008, 06:42:50 πμ
Here are some US NAVY aircrfat models (all hasegawa 1/72)
* F-14D VF-2 Bounty Hunters
* F-14D VF-31 Tomcatters
* EA-6B VAQ-140 Patriots
Best regards
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: felix στις Αυγούστου 05, 2008, 08:06:23 μμ
Αποστολή από: nino1969 στις Αυγούστου 12, 2008, 08:43:29 πμ
Αποστολή από: faab104 στις Αυγούστου 14, 2008, 06:52:56 μμ
there's a little secret about Eric...
I have to tell you this guy is not from France,
he's from Mars !
Αποστολή από: χρηστος στις Αυγούστου 14, 2008, 10:28:45 μμ
Hello dear Modellers :D
there's a little secret about Eric...
I have to tell you this guy is not from France,
he's from Mars !
I bet he is :!: :lol:
Wonderful models :!: :shock: ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap::
Αποστολή από: prokroust στις Αυγούστου 17, 2008, 09:42:42 μμ
A couple of questions to you.
Do you use any kind of paint mask for camo (like blue tac) or you work with free hand?
also i can not see any close up image from the cockpit so, can you let us know
if you use any photo etched or if you generally use photo etched in 72nd scale?
thank you in advance.
Congratulations ::eusa_clap:: ::eusa_clap::
Αποστολή από: Eric B. στις Αυγούστου 18, 2008, 10:11:57 μμ
Hi guys, Hi you all
Thank you soooooo much for your very kind words. Please keep me on earth, don't send me to Mars!!!
I am happy that these models please you, especially so for the HAF Phantom.
Prokroust : a reply to your questions.
- Painting : all camos were painted freehand, including (I bet that's your question) the F-4E. A technique using Humbrol Maskol was exerciced on the VF-2 F-14D for all the light grey over the turtleback panel lines.All other paintings are painted freehand. I may try and decided blutak on a future project with USAF Vietnam camo. Contrast between greens and tan might be heavier than on HAF Ghost camoflage. I'll strat freehand but I admit I may have to adapt myself.
- I like to give some details to my cockpits and I will use as much as I can and what is available. In the best of instances I'll drop a resin set (that's the case with my current F-18C Hornet. In the case of Hasegawa Tomcats I usually consider that Hasegawa cockpits are closely as sharp as the Verlinden older resin cockpit. I might try a Aires Cockpit in a future project. F-14D was built with box cockpit and PE set. Knowing my aircraft (both VF-2 and VF-31 were LANTIRN and PTID equipped) I modified rear cockpit with a square screen built from thin plastic card and side control on left console. Rest of cockpit si stock except ejection seats that are True Details resin.
HAF Phantom cockpit was built with mostly Eduard PE set as designed for Hasegawa F-4E but modified with thin plastic card again for CRT screens. I also cut PE parts to build upmy cockpits to ressemble documents that were generously presented by mates from this forum. This therefore is a mix of box, Eduard PE, resin seats and plastic card.
I did not want to go to far but wanted to show something in accordance with the version I built (ie did not want toi show a plain and older USAF F-4E cockpit for the modernized HAF aircraft.
Cheers
Eric B.
Αποστολή από: prokroust στις Αυγούστου 19, 2008, 10:11:29 πμ
Thank you for your answers. You absolute cover me.
You have done terrific works so please still modeling and show us more images from your jobs in order to delectate them.