Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 21, 2009, 09:04:59 μμ
i just read that Israel sold HAF some Noratlases, in 1978.
if so, does anyone know if they wore the IAF's camouflage for a while, in HAF service?????
knowing our HAF, all the aircraft we received, would maintain their current colors,
at least for a while.
Here's some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Noratlas
http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/2848/noratlas.htm
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=103718
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Israel%20-%20Air%20Force/Nord%20N-2501D%20Noratlas/0374328/L/&width=1024&height=725&sok=WHERE__(aircraft_generic_%3D_%27Nord_N-2501ESCSLASH2502ESCSLASH2504_Noratlas%27)_&sort=_order_by_airline_&photo_nr=150&prev_id=0164630&next_id=NEXTID
let me know ::salut::
Αποστολή από: Θανάσης στις Ιανουαρίου 21, 2009, 09:32:02 μμ
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 21, 2009, 09:41:18 μμ
cause it's in english?
it's a question about the Hellenic Air Force, getting Noratlases from Israel.
can you move it back, so more people will get to read this?
thanks.
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 21, 2009, 10:54:01 μμ
i have the feeling that HAF flew some Noratlases with the IAF colours for a while.
They did that with the ones from Germany.
and also did that with other aircraft.
F-5s from Jordan, Netherlands.
F-104s from spain, norway, netherlands, germany.
RF-4Gs from germany.
so on and on........................ :roll:
Αποστολή από: Fantasma337 στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 02:02:24 πμ
i have the feeling that HAF flew some Noratlases with the IAF colours for a while.
No
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They did that with the ones from Germany.
Yes
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and also did that with other aircraft.
F-5s from Jordan, Netherlands.
F-104s from spain, norway, netherlands, germany.
RF-4Gs from germany.
so on and on........................ :roll:
But not with Noraltas'...
If I may ask what your source is? Thanks!
Αποστολή από: phantomphlyer στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 02:29:25 πμ
Αποστολή από: mmaker στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 02:43:33 πμ
I saw your e-mail address and I assume that nick gerousis is your name, right? It sounds greek too me, why are you writing in English? :roll:Tάσο,
http://www.modelclub.gr/forums/index.php/topic,3486.0/highlight,beaver.html
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this is my first post here. i'm greek, but live in the U.S.
i won't really be able to post in greek, i hope english is ok.
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 02:58:28 πμ
then there was this page: http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/2848/noratlas.htm
it just makes sense, seeing how HAF has used other second hand aircraft in the previous users colours.
but i leave it up to you, the experts to look into it a bit further.
and yes, i'm greek, but raised in the US.
and am a fanatic about Hellenic aviation.
plan to build plenty of models over time, and am just collecting info.
unfortunately my resources here in the US are limited.
so i leave it up to you guys to find out the facts.
thanks for the help guys. ::salut::
Αποστολή από: phantomphlyer στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 03:24:08 πμ
I saw your e-mail address and I assume that nick gerousis is your name, right? It sounds greek too me, why are you writing in English? :roll:Tάσο,
http://www.modelclub.gr/forums/index.php/topic,3486.0/highlight,beaver.htmlΠαράθεσηthis is my first post here. i'm greek, but live in the U.S.
i won't really be able to post in greek, i hope english is ok.
I didn't see this...now I got it! ::icon_thumright::
Αποστολή από: Harris Charalambous στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 04:52:35 πμ
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 05:16:16 μμ
Αποστολή από: ΧΑΡΙΔΗΜΟΣ στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 06:26:36 μμ
we -all here in the MC - are very happy that you've join us and take part in our discussions for a better and stronger Polemiki Aeroporia. Your question revived an old one that I had also too, and i didn't manage to have a clear answer. The only thing that we are sure is that P.A. got some planes (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=354mtmgpcfm1obbua2.jpg) from Israel, but the exact number is unknown, at least to me. This fact confirm several sources f.e Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Noratlas).
Αποστολή από: Κωνσταντινος στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 11:23:11 μμ
The Nord N2501D Noratlas have been granted from the Luftwaffe as Military Assistance. Some of the planes or probably all the planes have been inspected at Israel during an IRAN inspection (Inspect and Repair As Necessary)
Αποστολή από: phantomphlyer στις Ιανουαρίου 22, 2009, 11:56:10 μμ
This fact confirm several sources f.e Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Noratlas).
...explain to me the term "bulk" please...is it possible to mean spare parts by this or it definitely means aircrafts... :roll:
Αποστολή από: Corto στις Ιανουαρίου 23, 2009, 12:37:36 πμ
This fact confirm several sources f.e Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Noratlas).
...explain to me the term "bulk" please...is it possible to mean spare parts by this or it definitely means aircrafts... :roll:
From Wiki: The IAF phased the Noratlas out in 1978, and the bulk of their fleet was sold to the Greek (Hellenic) Air Force.
It means the IAF fleet as in whole. All the planes not bits and pieces. Or as we say here in the US... the whole kit and kaboodle :)
Αποστολή από: Harris Charalambous στις Ιανουαρίου 23, 2009, 02:22:23 πμ
Buying in bulk means buying in large quantities (or in this case buying all of them) including the kithchen sink :mrgreen:
Αποστολή από: phantomphlyer στις Ιανουαρίου 23, 2009, 06:33:36 πμ
So if we had bought the whole IAF fleet, I believe that it would be written clearly and officially somewhere, like Noratlas from Germany...right? :roll:
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Ιανουαρίου 23, 2009, 04:53:37 μμ
I think they had about 16, so my best guess would be around 12 or so aircraft.
i'm sure they were air worthy. but i doubt HAF repainted them when they got them.
so that's the question. did they fly in HAF service painted in IAF colours????
:?: :mrgreen:
Αποστολή από: ΧΑΡΙΔΗΜΟΣ στις Ιανουαρίου 23, 2009, 06:09:29 μμ
Considering that Polemiki Aeroporia bought some of them around 1980, it would rather strange to retain
their camo patern even for a few years...
(http://imageshack.us)
Αποστολή από: ΧΑΡΙΔΗΜΟΣ στις Ιανουαρίου 31, 2009, 03:58:31 μμ
There is also an interesting article at PTHSH magazine SEP/2004 (n.228), of Alexandros Theologos, where we read that P.A. had around 40 to 50 ac in 2 sqns but nothing about jewish ones.
Αποστολή από: Fantasma337 στις Φεβρουαρίου 01, 2009, 02:31:00 πμ
Αποστολή από: aetosjm στις Μαΐου 16, 2009, 08:38:10 μμ
Regarding the Noratlas issue I have to tell you that Hellenic AF never received such a/c from Israel.
This is positively researched and checked, and it is definite.
My co-member in Air Britain and good friend from Aachen, Germany - Jörg Windmüller <jwindmueller@web.de> - who is researching Israeli AF (IDF/AF), have done a through research on the N.2501 Noratlas in Israeli AF (IDF/AF) service, and he has gone through the individual histories of every single a/c.
The outcome is that not a single a/c was ever transferred to Hellenic AF from Israel.
I hope that this straightens things out, as this rumor go over and over for many years.
AetosJM ::iconairforce::
Αποστολή από: nickypooh στις Μαΐου 18, 2009, 10:25:08 μμ
good to know!
thanks guys!
Αποστολή από: ΧΑΡΙΔΗΜΟΣ στις Οκτωβρίου 17, 2013, 04:10:01 μμ
(http://postimage.org/)Παράθεση
Israel Air Force 4X-FAC, Nord Noratlas at Luton Airport
(http://postimage.org/)Παράθεση
Beersheba - Hatzerim Israel, May 2008, 043 / 4X-FAC (cn D134) Stored at the IAF museum this aircraft was previously used by the German Luftwaffe.